Sony Ericsson is either brave or stupid, I can’t work out which. That’s all I can think after Sony Ericsson responded to our tweet and confirmed that the Xperia X10 will launch with Android 1.6 when it hits the United States later this week.
The X10 is going up against some true Android heavyweights in the US, most of which already run Android 2.1 and of these handsets, many will very shortly be blessed with Android 2.2. I’d like to think that Sony Ericsson know what they are doing and maybe the low $130 price point will be enough to win it some share.
Sony Ericsson know this is not good news, it is why the version of Android shipping wasn’t mentioned anywhere in today’s press materials. The frustrating part is that the many will completely overlook the handset just because it doesn’t run one of the latest versions of Android. The company is making the same mistake it made when launching the X10 in Europe/Asia.
What’s your view? Does the Android version even matter as long as they make a quick buck? Or is Sony Ericsson stumbling at the first block on their US Xperia X10 adventure? Let us know in the comments below.
192 responses to “Xperia X10 launches with Android 1.6 in US”
That’s probably good news for the existing Xperia users – a broader audience will mean more attention to the product, hopefully resulting in an OS upgrade before it becomes obsolete.
what the hell were they thinking with 1.6!?!?!? AT LEAST put 2.0
jeez, it’s like one step forward and two steps back…
It must be a pure nightmare to SE..They simply don’t get it..When doing Android-phones the OS is just as important as the hardware… They have to move FAST and within the first month do upgrade to at least 2.1 and announce a 2.2 upgrade in no later than end november. HTC and Samsung is moving at the speed of light.
Reading SEs forums tells me that many of the users will switch to other brands as they feel ignored by SE.
Have had the handset since March, think 6 months with the same phone is a record for me. Irritated that they sell it so cheap, mean that I don’t get a good resell value for it. Considering getting the HTC Desire, just since I am bored, but will wait and see for one or two more months.
Don’t worry guys. SE is selling MANY Android phones! With great cameras. And this handset is on its 5th software update – very stable.
Still I hoped they would reveal 2.1 today…
Well done SE! thank you for giving us the ‘latest’ technology of android OS.
This is a huge mistake. It will kill the phone in North America. Once this happens SE will pull out of updates because no one purchased the phone and all of us who bought are going to be out of luck. What are they doing? Are they stupid? Do they even understand how the android community will react to this? Obviously not, or such an imbecilic decision would not be made.
Fuckin SE release the fucking 2.1 update -.-
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i am really hopping no one will buy this x10 in us, and when they do survey, people come back and say they don’t buy it because the andriod version is too low. i really hope that can happened!!! even tho i am having x10 right now, people have to do something to let SE knows android version does matter in the market1!!!!!
…hm nice to hear that they are releasing it in the us…i like my x10…i´m using it as heaviely as i never used a phone before…and i don´t see verry much difference to 2.1…2.2 has flash or something like that, ok but…it lasts up to 5 days…with gps on for30mins…making pics, listening to mp3 and surfing the web…SE is cool…if you don´t like it…throw it away or something…
and by the way…i´m selling mobiles in germany…nobody wants to know wich android version it has…
that was very stupid move from SE,they dont see what people want and what other companies do like HTC and Samsung,they already have 2,2 and we are still on 1,6!!hope xda devs will soon crack bootloader so we can have 2,2 as we deserve!
I think that most people just don’t care. Remember, most of SE’s probably will never find this place. They want a phone that looks great and has that Android thing from Google people are talking about. All SE need is for the majority of people to think it is a cool phone that they can show off to their friends.
Personally I’m quite happy with my Xperia X10. It does what it’s supposed to (phonecalls, SMS) and what I want it to (a few apps) and I can’t see how having Android 2.1/2.2 will change my life.
Mind you, I’ll be waiting in queue to install the upgrade as soon as it’s available. I’m still somewhat of a geek…
idiots, i just can’t believe it. How are they even supposed to compete with the nexus one , droid or even the iphone?? i just can’t believe how their marketing team sucks…
You know i am completely baffled by SE now. I have no clue what thier aim is for this company, it seems they are just driving it down deliberately. These decisions they make, shocking, stupid they don’t kknow how to market a phone properly to compete with others successful its basic i could run this company better SERIOSLY!
SE does not even care I think I will give another month if the want to keep doing this. I will get the droid X
I think the X10 is an exellent phone. I have used mine for three months now, and the updates R2BA026 / 1.1.31 really made a difference in battery lifetime, screen responiveness and general performance. The announced Eclair update will be followed by a Froyo update for the X10.
SE must be stupid or to rich to see the real life. I have to sell my X 10 and wait till the Desire HD will be released in Germany. I hope I get some euros for my x 10 . Now I’m so frustrated that I’m going to get some beers. X 10 beers 🙂
Bunch of idiots SE, sorry but I really can’t believe it. So much ignorance is nearly impossible.
When I launch a Android handy i have to look for the Android community. They should have released s 60 v5 on the X 10 if they wanted a teenager handy but if you release it with Android then you have to….. so the first beer is open when I ready the 2.1 beer I will tell
Thing is, as i read somewhere on XDA-Developer forums, the Xperia10 is running Android 1.6 yes, but Sony Ericsson ADDED expanded the 1.6 very much by themselves. So, from what i read, the X10 has the same functions of 2.0 even though its only running on 1.6
The reasons of this is unclear to me though… let me see if i can find that post for you guys 🙂
SE didn’t get firsthand on 2.x so they solved the problems by themselves by making their own additions to 1.6. Works nicely IMO.
Well, did a bit of searching, but couldnt find it.. Am at work so dont have much time on this im afraid…
Raji, you are correct.
And this could very well be the reason they are delaying so with 2.1
Perhaps they are making it better?
@StarZtorm
You are right. SE expanded 1.6 very much .
maybe se out before to September on OTA the Eclair 2.1
Mediascape i can understand its pretty cool and kinda functional, but Timescape :S. Its only good to like just flick around when your bored.
Sony is a company that will not stick a product out there unless it is the best it can possibly be. The very reason we have to wait is because they will not release 2.1 if there are bugs and just say they can fix them later. I would rather wait and know when I install 2.1, it will be flawless and perfect, than get it day one and be the beta tester. All I can say for sure is when I hold my X10 to make a call, I never have a drop. 🙂
Waiting for 2.0 gives me a reason not to buy an SE phone again. Thanks for narrowing my choices down for my next phone Sony!
I think sonys rather silly in not releasing the 2.1 update along with the American shipment. I think its disgusting we all have to wait this long for it. I think we need to send sony erricson an complaint email and tell them to pull there fingers out lol
hey guys, my g/f and i love the phone and wanted it since last year but 1.6 was always a no go for me. We forgot about it since then and now that its going to be realease here in US im wondering if you think that a custom 2.2 or 2.1 rom will be released anytime soon since the x10 is already rooted. I would love to have it but the lock of attention from SE is just a turnoff.
I really think SE has a problem… Unless they have something coming up their sleeves which I doubt so.
Alright. haters gonna hate.
Do any of you ignorant haters in here realize how much effort that are being put in the xperia series by SE? in a little country like norway with 5 million people, they open a dedicated hotline for Xperia. they have launched one of the most expensive commercial campaigns for the phone. and to be quite honest, Android looks better on Xperia than on any other androphone ive seen. sure i can agree its a long wait, but hey, when 2.1 comes, its gonna be worth the wait. an old saying guys! One who waits on something good, does not wait in vain.
SE has a very big team working on this update. lets just have some patience, after all, we all knew we wouldnt be getting 2.1 until q4. theyve said it from day one.
long story short. its gonna be one heck of an upgrade. When we get it 😉
@StarZtorm
well said….
I agree, X10 will get 2.1. We saw the preview videos just a few days ago. We just have to wait. Just be patient mo fo’s
[b]@StarZtorm[/b]
is a good speech
but the topic is different …
we are talking about the U.S. market
if you were to buy this phone as American fine and performing around you when there are moster EVO4 as HTC, x droid, droid 2??
I do not believe
@StarZtorm,
i bought this phone expecting ALOT. its ben 3 months, even tho i LOVE THIS PHONE, the software is far from beeing close to the iphone. It’s not as smooth and it doesn’t even have tethering for god sake AND 80% of the android phones are running 2.2 and ur gonna tell me we are waiting for 2.1?? ridicoulous…thats a lack of respect to the buyers, im sorry. I love the phone but with thisl software, sony is going to fail like they have been failing the last 3 years.
Suicide is painless…
@StarZtorm
It seems you don’t understand the topic, nor understand when a company is ignoring their customers, which little by little are turning their backs on SE just like SE has turned their backs on them for years and years, and even now that a lot of people were re-enchanted and hopeful about SE’s going into the Android OS, facts might open your eyes.
You might want to read what “Jeff” has posted on Xperia X10 Family forum
“Aug 5, 2010 7:15 PM in response to: yxc145
Re: Xperia X10 Android 2.1 update in US
Hi,
Just wanted to pop in again and state to all those that haven’t seen my post above.
Yes, 2.1 is still on schedule for late Q3. We have no news to report on any updates past this, anything will be announced on the Product Blog.
As for those discussing low volume: Yes, we hear you. Obviously we can’t respond to each user individually, but as I’ve stated before, one of the main purposes of this forum is to hear your feedback and we are obviously aware of your feelings about this.
Thank you.”
As you recall ” The Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will all receive software upgrades during their lifecycle to improve performance and add new communication and entertainment experiences. From Q3 2010 onwards, the Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will be upgraded to run on the Android 2.1 operating system in selected markets. The Xperia™ X10’s position as the best multimedia Android smartphone will be strengthened through the addition of HD video recording as part of the same Q3 upgrade. A further upgrade to the Xperia™ X10 in Q4 will make it possible to connect wirelessly to and display content on your television and enhance the Timescape™ and Mediascape applications. (http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/press/pressreleases/pressreleasedetails/xperiax8pressreleasefinal-20100616)” June 16, 2010 at Sony Ericsson Press Release.
So if what you stated is right “… We have no news to report on any updates past this…”, then the life cycle of Xperia X10 will end Q3 and/or Q4? quite interesting if you consider is just being released in some markets, and soon to be released in late August/Mid September in the US.
So based on SE Press Release, it must be released on Q3 which could be this month or next month. Now moving to “…in a little country like norway with 5 million people, they open a dedicated hotline for Xperia. they have launched one of the most expensive commercial campaigns for the phone… ” if its a “small country” like you say it’s quite stupid to spend so much money to have “one of the most expensive commercial campaigns” if its such a small market, and bigger markets or more important markets like the US, India, Japan, etc they don’t invest as much. A great phone doesn’t require such an expensive campaigns, if instead of using that time and resources in campaigns like that and use it on developing better apps, fixing the bugs, and more importantly releasing Eclair couple months ago and Foryo this Quarter, it will work great for them and they wouldn’t need to brainwash people that Timescape and Mediascape is more important than a newer up to date OS.
I partially agree on this “…Android looks better on Xperia than on any other androphone ive seen….”It does look nice and flashy, but what’s the point on something look pretty but can’t deliver? cough cough iphone cough cough, Donut on Xperia X10 is quite buggy, perhaps you have a miracle version of the X10 which has no bugs and run smooth. Now what other Android devices have you used and/or spend time with (more than few minutes/hours)?
Do you really think it’ll be worth the wait? Do you even know the benefits of Froyo over Eclair? it doesn’t seem that you comprehend the huge advantage of Froyo, is not about wanting to have the latest OS for no reason, but one of the main reasons Froyo is a must in this phone is quite simple, it will be FAST, really fast, will free ram, flash, and many other good things. “…sure i can agree its a long wait, but hey, when 2.1 comes, its gonna be worth the wait….” do you remember one it was officially announced back in November 2009 that we kept waiting and it was pushed back because SE was going to release it with Eclair but at the end they released it with 1.6 and quite buggy and glitchy, so what was the whole idea of pushing it back?
just a quick and simple example, MULTITOUCH
Multi-touch fiasco: SE kept saying that Xperia X10 was Dual/Multiple touch capable, it was confirmed during Mobile World Congress, it was later “corrected”, and Sumit Malhotra in the official Sony Ericsson blog said that the Xperia X10 was going to have Multi-touch with an OS update which few months later and after thousands of unanswered post by customers and SE fans we learned the truth that its not software but a hardware issue, in other words, its cheaper for SE to buy single touch digitizer for a 4inch screen than ironically buying a dual touch digitizer for the x10 mini but block it through software, yeah the x10 mini has hardware capable of dual touch but: ” I noted some of your comments asking for the multi touch support. Having shared our personal experiences using the new UI within our team, we just love it the way it is and think that multi-touch would actually just destroy the simplicity of using these products. To avoid any speculation I can confirm that we do not have any intention to implement multi touch on X10 mini and X10 mini pro.” Timo Maassmann ” http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/05/06/one-hand-touch-operation-we-just-love-it/#comments”
As you can see again ignoring what WE, the consumer want, everybody or at least most people want dual and/or multi-touch, why ignore the costumer?
How do you know how much people are actually working on this? because all our questions had gone unanswered, if you have an email or phone number we can call to get answers please share “…SE has a very big team working on this update. let’s just have some patience, after all, we all knew we wouldnt be getting 2.1 until q4. theyve said it from day one….” and again read this part because remember is SE they change their mind all the time, they dont keep their promises. “” The Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will all receive software upgrades during their lifecycle to improve performance and add new communication and entertainment experiences. From Q3 2010 onwards, the Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will be upgraded to run on the Android 2.1 operating system in selected markets. ”
“long story short. its gonna be one heck of an upgrade. When we get it ” Too bad we can’t be as optimistic as you are, we rely on facts and the facts show that SE will let us down again.
and check this out
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/1790#1790
Jeff-SEAnswers
235 posts since
Apr 23, 2010
Jun 11, 2010 1:53 AM in response to: sim-value
Re: root access on Xperia X10
Hi Everyone,
I will be straight to the point. There are no plans to allow root access on the the Xperia™ X10.
I won’t go into the reasons why, many have be touched on already.
Many of you have requested answers to a lot of these “Hot Topics” (Satio™, Xperia™ X10 update, etc) and I don’t always have those readily available. Sometimes when I am ready to post, we still need to check with the right people, these things take time
Regardless, this is the answer on this issue, I hope you can respect the information and continue to feel free to discuss this and any other topics on this forum.
As always, you can reply to this post or PM if needed.
-Jeff
Sony Ericsson Answers Team
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/1910#1910
Jeff-SEAnswers
235 posts since
Apr 23, 2010
Jun 11, 2010 6:02 PM in response to: saltorio
Re: root access on Xperia X10
Hi,
Just a quick reply to say “SE will not put in any efforts to simplify the process for users” is correct.
That’s SE for you.
Part 1
@StarZtorm
It seems you don’t understand the topic, nor understand when a company is ignoring their customers, which little by little are turning their backs on SE just like SE has turned their backs on them for years and years, and even now that a lot of people were re-enchanted and hopeful about SE’s going into the Android OS, facts might open your eyes.
You might want to read what “Jeff” has posted on Xperia X10 Family forum
“Aug 5, 2010 7:15 PM in response to: yxc145
Re: Xperia X10 Android 2.1 update in US
Hi,
Just wanted to pop in again and state to all those that haven’t seen my post above.
Yes, 2.1 is still on schedule for late Q3. We have no news to report on any updates past this, anything will be announced on the Product Blog.
As for those discussing low volume: Yes, we hear you. Obviously we can’t respond to each user individually, but as I’ve stated before, one of the main purposes of this forum is to hear your feedback and we are obviously aware of your feelings about this.
Thank you.”
As you recall ” The Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will all receive software upgrades during their lifecycle to improve performance and add new communication and entertainment experiences. From Q3 2010 onwards, the Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will be upgraded to run on the Android 2.1 operating system in selected markets. The Xperia™ X10’s position as the best multimedia Android smartphone will be strengthened through the addition of HD video recording as part of the same Q3 upgrade. A further upgrade to the Xperia™ X10 in Q4 will make it possible to connect wirelessly to and display content on your television and enhance the Timescape™ and Mediascape applications. (http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/press/pressreleases/pressreleasedetails/xperiax8pressreleasefinal-20100616)” June 16, 2010 at Sony Ericsson Press Release.
So if what you stated is right “… We have no news to report on any updates past this…”, then the life cycle of Xperia X10 will end Q3 and/or Q4? quite interesting if you consider is just being released in some markets, and soon to be released in late August/Mid September in the US.
So based on SE Press Release, it must be released on Q3 which could be this month or next month. Now moving to “…in a little country like norway with 5 million people, they open a dedicated hotline for Xperia. they have launched one of the most expensive commercial campaigns for the phone… ” if its a “small country” like you say it’s quite stupid to spend so much money to have “one of the most expensive commercial campaigns” if its such a small market, and bigger markets or more important markets like the US, India, Japan, etc they don’t invest as much. A great phone doesn’t require such an expensive campaigns, if instead of using that time and resources in campaigns like that and use it on developing better apps, fixing the bugs, and more importantly releasing Eclair couple months ago and Foryo this Quarter, it will work great for them and they wouldn’t need to brainwash people that Timescape and Mediascape is more important than a newer up to date OS.
Part 2
@StarZtorm
I partially agree on this “…Android looks better on Xperia than on any other androphone ive seen….”It does look nice and flashy, but what’s the point on something look pretty but can’t deliver? cough cough iphone cough cough, Donut on Xperia X10 is quite buggy, perhaps you have a miracle version of the X10 which has no bugs and run smooth. Now what other Android devices have you used and/or spend time with (more than few minutes/hours)?
Do you really think it’ll be worth the wait? Do you even know the benefits of Froyo over Eclair? it doesn’t seem that you comprehend the huge advantage of Froyo, is not about wanting to have the latest OS for no reason, but one of the main reasons Froyo is a must in this phone is quite simple, it will be FAST, really fast, will free ram, flash, and many other good things. “…sure i can agree its a long wait, but hey, when 2.1 comes, its gonna be worth the wait….” do you remember one it was officially announced back in November 2009 that we kept waiting and it was pushed back because SE was going to release it with Eclair but at the end they released it with 1.6 and quite buggy and glitchy, so what was the whole idea of pushing it back?
just a quick and simple example, MULTITOUCH
Multi-touch fiasco: SE kept saying that Xperia X10 was Dual/Multiple touch capable, it was confirmed during Mobile World Congress, it was later “corrected”, and Sumit Malhotra in the official Sony Ericsson blog said that the Xperia X10 was going to have Multi-touch with an OS update which few months later and after thousands of unanswered post by customers and SE fans we learned the truth that its not software but a hardware issue, in other words, its cheaper for SE to buy single touch digitizer for a 4inch screen than ironically buying a dual touch digitizer for the x10 mini but block it through software, yeah the x10 mini has hardware capable of dual touch but: ” I noted some of your comments asking for the multi touch support. Having shared our personal experiences using the new UI within our team, we just love it the way it is and think that multi-touch would actually just destroy the simplicity of using these products. To avoid any speculation I can confirm that we do not have any intention to implement multi touch on X10 mini and X10 mini pro.” Timo Maassmann ” http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/05/06/one-hand-touch-operation-we-just-love-it/#comments”
As you can see again ignoring what WE, the consumer want, everybody or at least most people want dual and/or multi-touch, why ignore the costumer?
Part 3
@StarZtorm
How do you know how much people are actually working on this? because all our questions had gone unanswered, if you have an email or phone number we can call to get answers please share “…SE has a very big team working on this update. let’s just have some patience, after all, we all knew we wouldnt be getting 2.1 until q4. theyve said it from day one….” and again read this part because remember is SE they change their mind all the time, they dont keep their promises. “” The Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will all receive software upgrades during their lifecycle to improve performance and add new communication and entertainment experiences. From Q3 2010 onwards, the Xperia™ X10, X10 mini and X10 mini pro smartphones will be upgraded to run on the Android 2.1 operating system in selected markets. ”
“long story short. its gonna be one heck of an upgrade. When we get it ” Too bad we can’t be as optimistic as you are, we rely on facts and the facts show that SE will let us down again.
and check this out
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/1790#1790
Jeff-SEAnswers
235 posts since
Apr 23, 2010
Jun 11, 2010 1:53 AM in response to: sim-value
Re: root access on Xperia X10
Hi Everyone,
I will be straight to the point. There are no plans to allow root access on the the Xperia™ X10.
I won’t go into the reasons why, many have be touched on already.
Many of you have requested answers to a lot of these “Hot Topics” (Satio™, Xperia™ X10 update, etc) and I don’t always have those readily available. Sometimes when I am ready to post, we still need to check with the right people, these things take time
Regardless, this is the answer on this issue, I hope you can respect the information and continue to feel free to discuss this and any other topics on this forum.
As always, you can reply to this post or PM if needed.
-Jeff
Sony Ericsson Answers Team
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/1910#1910
Jeff-SEAnswers
235 posts since
Apr 23, 2010
Jun 11, 2010 6:02 PM in response to: saltorio
Re: root access on Xperia X10
Hi,
Just a quick reply to say “SE will not put in any efforts to simplify the process for users” is correct.
That’s SE for you.
I’m thinking about selling my X10 on eBay and buying the HTC Evo 4G. What do you guys think, should I do it?
[…] AW: Upgrade auf 2.1 schon im 3. Quartal? Richtig! http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/08/09/…oid-1-6-in-us/ […]
Hey StarZtorm I hope this “big development team” fixes the shitty call quality. Send me that “hotline number” ill talk to them.
Bandit-make the switch.
Also just found out the droid x sar rating is pretty high. No one really knows the truth behind sar and stuff but might as well be safe than sorry. the rating was like 1.4x, something around there for both body and head.
well im using my phone with 1.6 os and let me tell you something ITS AMAZING stuoopid multitouch i dont need it, fast you want a more fast phone? xperia doesnt think alone before I press the screen , is the fastes i have used.. hear read this i have simbian, windows mobile 6.1, other samsungs and all , all all of them at least 3 times have to be opened to detach battery to turn off, xperia x10 (that amazing phone running on 1.6 that nobody wants now=
) never not even once has freezed or stuck, so i cant wait one more year for 2.? and only cause the camera flash really sucks on x10, but the wait is very cool and fun with xperia on my hands. envy my fantastic phone, that comes with 16 gb microsd, white and but ofcourse 1.6 os
Guys guys. This doesn’t mean SE will not upgrade X10 to 2.1. They will upgrade for sure. So just calm down and wait. By looking at when they have done with current 1.6 OS, I’m sure their 2.1 updates will be really good one.
I don’t get what’s the big deal? I’ve been using my X10 for so many months now. I don’t see why Android 1.6 is as terrible as everyone else on here rate it. I’m loving my Android 1.6.
1) Multi-touch… ok… when are you ever going to use this except to show off how you view photos with your friends?
2) Faster… really? Is the X10 currently not fast enough? I’m not sure what everyone wants in a phone, but if my music is running / internet browsing and playing a game without any lag, I THINK I”LL JUST BE OK!
3)Facebook sync contacts, who will actually input all their data on facebook? There bound to be some people on there without their phone number and at that time you will have to manually input, wow good luck!
4)Multiple email accountsin 1 inbox. Are you guys that lazy??? it takes me less than 5 seconds to sign out of one account and into another using the built in EMAIL function. What’s the big deal??
5)Live wallpaper, ok.. another small visual upgrade to brag about…
Why everyone is being so pissy pissy about the smal changes are retarded. Fine, go sell your X10, and once you get a new phone. I bet you’ll be priased with more problems on your new phone than compared to X10.
I love my X10, to all those don’t. Well go buy something else and stop complaining.
best gps, best 4 inch screen ,forget amoled 16 m colours, best browser, best pics exept flash, faster than all, r2ba026 now makes earspeaker sound much better, best design , free apps via market, great video recording, well its because x10 has something great, user friendly and nice, not a perfect phone but its pathetic how people cr about this usa anounncement , this is the best for all the actual x10 users and more fair , so we get the update thogheter, se. is working for shure, at 1.6 my phone is competing versus evo, galaxy,droids etc and its ´´outdated´´
to the people who thing X10 is fine with 1.6 or that is fast or not glitchy, etc, have you ever use lets say Nexus One running froyo for a week? if you answer is no, then you have no idea how fast 2.2 is or how SLOW X10 really is. of course is WAAAAY faster than symbian or winmobile and android 1 or 1.5 but compared to 2.1 or 2.2 is quite slow.
Multi-touch: if you think that multitouch is only for zoom-in pictures well you don’t quite comprehend how useful multitouch really is, like playing games that do need multitouch, faster txt input, etc etc.
have you try to play music while taking pictures? I’m pretty sure mediascape won’t allow it, so you must download another app to play music so u can take pictures in the go, or what about the other ever so important custom app, timescape, if you run it the way its supposed to be, it will drain your battery, but hey you can change the update setting so it doesnt update at all, that will make it so useful. if your X10 hasn’t crashed or slowed down,it doesnt seem you’ve been using it that much other than making phonecalls and txting. the X10 is not an iphone, it shouldn’t have an issue running multiple apps, specially SE’s apps
the issue is not if SE will update to 2.1 the issue is How long has it been since they promised the “soon after release” update to 2.1, and 2.1 is quite updated now.
So again if you think X10 is fast then you should borrow the nexus one for a week or just couple of days and see it for yourself not just some youtube video or some vague opinion.
@jack x10
How can it be best 4in screen if is only 65K colors not 16million colors? the earspeaker volume is a little bit improved but you can’t say its enough. best browser? the other android phones have the same browser. how can it have great video recording if is NOT HD video recording? we WoNT get the update together, or you already forgot how the past small updates were rolled out? X10 can NOT compete with evo, galaxy, nexus one, etc. it could beat the droid for sure but not the digitizer since it has dualtouchscreen with gorilla glass. so the same question, have you had other phones evo, galaxy s, nexus one, droid, incredible, for few days to be able to compare how slow and how much things the X10 lacks or just assuming and going by what you see on youtube? remember we are missing a LOT of apps bc we’re stuck on android 1.6
Best multitouch
Great volume when speaking to somebody
OS looks great…
I don’t know what were discussing anymore. I’ll be back discussing X10 after the Eclair update. I think SE are doing OK with upgrades given the circumstances. X10 is great and will improve.
@uliwolly
Ok, i will admit i have never tried froyo, give me one instance where x10 needs to be faster that is generic android software. Timescape is hela slow, but who honestly usez it.
Multitouch for games. Ya good point, but which games on the Android market desperately required multitouch? None. Only good games around are robo defence , spira defence that require only so much touch.
Music and camera. LOl. Who does that? Another unnecessary tool. See the problem with users like u are… wanting so much necessary tools that you ll never come around to use… i can keep going on and on… and keep making u look silly. But why bother.,. You are so ignorant with the ways you use technology, ya…. you really shouldnt have.a sony ericsson phone, nor do u deserve.
we have to wait for 2.1 and perhabs 2.2, because SE spend so much time to implement Timescape and Mediascape in Android.
And now they just are not able to implement this into 2.1 or 2.2 ?
I have to wait on perhabs better speakerloadness, or 16mio colours, better bluetooth connection, a real flash(if you can say flash to this led), thetering, and the most important is SPEED, because of this play-arround timescape app ?
SE ignores the customers, they said from the first day, that 2.1 will come fast after the release of the phone, they did not say Q3 or Q4. 5 or 6 months after the release is NOT “shortly after” In this time the phone has spend the half of it´s life, and i will buy in 5 or 6 months a new phone.
So i bought an outdated phone for 500Euros, because of false promises from SE.
Thank you customers that you are so dumb and buy my phones.
If i would act so to my customers or better spoken, guests, i could close my restaurants in a couple of weeks.
LMFAOOOOOO >>>> Xperia X10 launches with Android 1.6 in US
SE if u got lil bit of dignity left jump off a bridge
great peice of hardware let down by outdated software.
call volume is a problem for many users.
2.1 upgrade doesn’t support flash player, leaving your multimedia phone stuck with viewing youtube. the other 70% of internet use is impossible.
timescape as it stands, is just a gimmick.
camera has better pixel ratio but isn’t as good as the iphone for clarity, maybe the better amount of colours will help.
multi-touch i can do without.
these are the main problems that users are finding, 2.1 wont fix all these, all the other phones in this market can or will do better with their upgrade to 2.2 we dont know if or when these problems will be fixed. have a feeling i’ll be due a knew phone on my contract before this one catches up to the current level. i’d imagine there’ll be even better phones out by then as well, so do any of you x10 supporters think i’ll be getting another sony erickkson after this.
dont hold your breath.
I purchased the X10 because it appeared to be a great alternative to the iphone. Initially, I thought the X10 was great…. After using the X10 for 3months… I’m dying for the OS upgrade. Unfortunately, in Europe (Ireland) the upgrade is unavailable. There are too many issues with the phone to list when comparing the phone to an iphone.
I had the x10 for about 2 months and it was a great phone loved the camera the big screen etc but the lack of customer support and updates just sealed it for me.
Ive sold it and bought the Samsung Galaxy S and wow what a change faster OS better screen an Android overlay that works and 2.1 with 2.2 in Sep in fact i can download 2.2 now with the bugs if i wish.
Goodbye forever SE great to see you dipping your toe into the Android Sea but then decided the water was too cold 🙂
Please don’t worry about the 2.1 update. I am a X10 user from Hong Kong and I have asked the SE customer service in Hong Kong about the timeline of update. They replied that the 2.1 update will be released next month according to the latest schedule. So everybody, just clam down and wait.
SE are a bunch of tossers they launched the MW600 bluetooth headset in the advert it shows the x10 paired with the headset and showing caller id on the headset but on buying the headset it don’t do it, contact Sony they say the phones OS does not support the features in the advert is it me or are they just damn clueless.
To All Who Is Complaining Here About Android 1.6…
Please buy another phone, and not X10, so you can stop complaining. This company will survive without you buying it. People will buy it regardless of what you say or do. It’s called Choice. You don’t like it? Don’t buy it. You hate it? Sell it! You already bought it? Give it to your enemy or sell it! Why do you complain? You made the wrong choice? Deal with it! No one is forcing you to use it…
So Mr. Rod.M,
Are you suggesting that after buying the product (X10) we should not ask for the updates or what?
we made a wrong choice ?
SE made false promises, thats all.
I bought it because SE said that shortly after the release of the phone they will bring out 2.1.
And they talked about Multitouch etc and later corrected it, but that was after the buy.
They betrayed the customers
And if you say sell it:
Do you give me the money which is lost because i don´t get much for the X10 now because nobody who wants an Android buys one with 1.6 ???
I said if you made a wrong choice! Deal with it. I have it, and happily using it. Want Android 2.2? Root it, and install custom ROM. There’s so many ways to skin a cat…
Hey Rod M. almost all of those who bought the X10 love it I know I do but it’s the poor support we receive from Sony that lets the customer and the device down in the end.
X10 user from Hong Kong
we dont want the old 2.1 we want the latest software, we want the call volume fixed, we want to be able to use it for full internet use not be stuck with youtube with the message you need flash player to view this/play this game etc coming up, we want to be able to access the phones capabilities before the phones anymore outdated and were due an upgraded phone on our contracts.
the phones not capable for multi touch, thats fine, improve what it can do like the basic function of being a phone/multi-media player, not to mention proper APP support.
the silence from SE regarding the faults we’ve all discovered ending would help. knowing that they are actually working to fix our problems would help, a timescale for this would be even better but silence is no damn good to anyone, especially their sales figures.
2.1 wont fix the call volume, it wont support flash player. it will help with the APP support and might improve the camera, speed, power saving, but its way short of making it do what it should be doing and will still be behind other phone manufacturers.
end of rant…………………………..
@mac Quoting Sony Ericsson DIRECTLY:
““At the time of the announcement of Xperia X10 (3 Nov 2009) we confirmed on our product blog that Xperia X10 would not support the android core feature of multi touch at the time of launch.”
K?
@Niels Christiansen
what abt call volume problem? loud speaker volume problem? battery problem?
and 2.2 update?i am never buyin sony ericsson just fyi and sooo are many ppl here itself on this blog and at numerous different forums too claim same thing.
@Fred
How sad is that you can’t see that those are simple examples to test the phone and lets you see how slow and limited it is. something as simple as take pictures while you listen to music, if Xperia X10 can’t do that is as bad as the iphone w/o multitasking, again its a simple example. now Mediascape and Timescape are SE signature apps, and thus they should run smooth but they don’t. TS it is pointless but we still have it there. Again if you can’t comprehend what’s an example maybe you need educate yourself and really look for the whole advantages on multitouch, videogames are examples, and if you can’t find any game that requires multitouch you are relying on the market only which doesnt take advantage of an Android. multitouch is quite a nice tool to access and/or move around in pictures, maps, faster text input, etc etc etc, again if you can’t see any other uses of multitouch let me quote you in this ” You are so ignorant with the ways you use technology, ya…. you really shouldnt have.a sony ericsson phone, nor do u deserve.” it’s quite pathetic that you try to defend SE so desperately, going of tangets, using logical fallacies as arguments, taking things out of context, bravo “i can keep going on and on… and keep making u look silly. But why bother.,. “. the main topic of this is how SE will F… this up again, by releasing X10 in one of the most important markets w/o 2.1 or above, competing with other excellent androids and to top it off it will be launch with the same carrier as the iPhone, see if SE will at least deal with things to surpass the iPhone, SE will have a chance, but people like you are so ignorant and enfatuated with a brand that can’t realize when SE has give you an excellent camera, that happen to make phone calls and runs on android, all at the price as the other leading smartphones on the market. you can defend all you want that you don’t need multitouch, real multitask, a phone to be fast, that wont slow down if you have multiple apps open, a battery that will last more than half a day, w/o sacrificing brightness, GPS, 3G. but I think you were thinking about how silly and ignorant you really feel about this topic and android altogether, of course you have to ignore the other things I posted. “You are so ignorant with the ways you use technology, ya…. you really shouldnt have.a sony ericsson phone, nor do u deserve.” open your eyes and read the facts.
@Niels Christiansen I hope you understand (unlike fred) that this are EXAMPLES
read this one, and there are other areas where he said X10 will be multitouch capable.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/
Multi-touch fiasco: SE kept saying that Xperia X10 was Dual/Multiple touch capable, it was confirmed during Mobile World Congress, it was later “corrected”, and Sumit Malhotra in the official Sony Ericsson blog said that the Xperia X10 was going to have Multi-touch with an OS update which few months later and after thousands of unanswered post by customers and SE fans we learned the truth that its not software but a hardware issue, in other words, its cheaper for SE to buy single touch digitizer for a 4inch screen than ironically buying a dual touch digitizer for the x10 mini but block it through software, yeah the x10 mini has hardware capable of dual touch but: ” I noted some of your comments asking for the multi touch support. Having shared our personal experiences using the new UI within our team, we just love it the way it is and think that multi-touch would actually just destroy the simplicity of using these products. To avoid any speculation I can confirm that we do not have any intention to implement multi touch on X10 mini and X10 mini pro.” Timo Maassmann ” http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/05/06/one-hand-touch-operation-we-just-love-it/#comments”
@NielsChristiansen
therefore i wrote “they talked about Multitouch” and they corrected it later.
But beside of this, several SE employees said directly to me yes the X10 will have Multitouch, in another phone call they said it will have perhabs MT, then it was only it will perhabs have it with 2.1, and then they rowed backwards and said no it wont have MT.
But then it was too late because i had bought it, in awaiting soon 2.1 or 2.2 and MT.
Isn´t it possible that the people in the so called “Service Centers” especially in the Xperia Hotline are knowing what they are talking, that they have enough informations, and the right informations to satisfy the customers, who are paying for your job Nils.
But who cares for us customers DIRECTLY ? Nobody i think.
So it´s no wonder that i complain myself DIRECTLY over Sony Ericsson.
K?
For you flash addicts just use skyfire. really timescape is just the over a decent contacts management app. And for the average user 1.6 does everything you need. There has been too much ‘i want the best faster power now!’. The average user doesn’t give a damn.
and Niels,
i asked SE if the x10 will get 2.1 or better 2.2,
and i got the short answer “the x10 is upgreadable”
then i´m not sure if this was “service” or “diss”
DIRECTLY
What really makes me sad is that many users just don’t appreciate anything. They are so greedy and brainwashed by advertisements. And with out noticing it, they became sheep’s like the isheep users. No offense but before you get angry let me tell you why I believe in what I’m saying.
First of all, as far as I know SE released 2 updates after releasing the phone, which means that SE never forgot the customers and never abandoned them like some users are trying to reveal.
If SE never released any update and were waiting for 2.1 to fix all the issues, I would totally understand where your coming from, but come on are u serious?? Shame on you all!
And I mean it, because SE are trying to please you by fixing any bugs and any problems that have been reported. And it’s true the only reason SE is delaying the whole thing is because they want their product to be different and unique. So again, if you want to be like the rest and just want the latest os from andriod there are plenty of alternatives in the market. Why keep complaining about it?! Grow up will ya and take full responsibility for your actions.
It is you that bought the product because you liked it, and you knew from the whole beginning that it had 1.6, so either you shut up and wait. Or Either you go and buy what ever you want without complaining and spread such nonsense.
The X10 is a piece of art, and it’s only appreciated by intelligent and smart people, who totally appreciate the looks + style + performance + uniqueness that SE are providing them with. We will get 2.1 soon and till then we will wait and be patient. After all people who are not patient makes a lot of mistakes in their lives and all they can do about it is complain and complain. While smarter people spend some time before taking their decisions, which will result in less talking and more actions.
Yours,
SE 2010
i have mailed them on facebook and i get the same response about the update. @SE 2010 the difference between customers like u and the angry customers is that they care about the company. i love SE and i want them to be the best they can be and it frustrates many of us to make these little mistakes which are so easy to resolve. The company has so much potential and they always choose the wrong decision
i too dont see whats such a problem with 1.6
the x10 works really well. it doesnt freeze, it just performs in a stable and useful way.
it could do with more volume, but thats not 2.1 realted is it?
multitouch? not bothered at all
do i want more gimmicks, of course, but i want a phone that works 1st. and the x10 gives that
i do not see what i am missing with 2.2 other than the ability to save apps to the sd card…
“and you knew from the whole beginning that it had 1.6, so either you shut up and wait.”
but SE promised the 2.1 to come very shortly after the buy.
“The X10 is a piece of art, and it’s only appreciated by intelligent and smart people”
does that mean that all people complaining about bad service are not worth it, are dumb in your eyes, sorry i have no time to pull out the dictionary, but this opinion is ridiculous it reminds me on further times.
Did you drink too much to write such nonsense ? People who are complaining are dumb and whatever.?
Only the customer who buys and never says a word is intelligent ????
Do you really think before you write ?
@se 2010
I spent £350 on this phone I have a right to criticize it if I so choose. SE are shooting themselves in the foot thanks to their slow development and relience on their cumbersome UI. they made promises that weren’t kept they should have launched in april on 2.1 they didn’t. If they had then this phone would be market leader. They are further compounding their original mistake by not launching on 2.1 in america. SE need to learn from this.
SE needs people like some up there to have blind fate and not care about the facts, nor empty promises, lies. Most of us bought the phone believing SE that they will release an update soon after, and just like the multitouch was just a lie.
@SE 2010
“ut come on are u serious?? Shame on you all!
And I mean it, because SE are trying to please you by fixing any bugs and any problems that have been reported.” You make it seem as if SE is making us a favor by fixing their buggy fun, we pay a good amount of money and we want great customer services, just like any other company out there, if they release something that is glitchy or not quite working properly they must release updates, just like N1 which releases updates to fix their bugs. “First of all, as far as I know SE released 2 updates after releasing the phone, which means that SE never forgot the customers and never abandoned them like some users are trying to reveal.” those “updates” that you speak off are NOT firmware updates like they promised so those updates have nothing to do with updating their OS which again is what they promised soon after the release.
@Dr Ether
I agree that using Skyfire will fix some lack of flash but not all of them, in fact skyfire on 1.6 has many bugs and don’t show the videos properly and video flash is only part of what flash is all about, many websites are build on Flash therefore skyfire is futile.
Multitouch goes far beyond just zoom in and out of pictures.
@Rod M
We put our trust, money and time on SE, waiting and hopping they will fulfill their promises, all the promises they made, all the things they said the phone was going to be capable of, its not fair for you to say that we need to either accept this or sell our phone, stop protecting SE and face the facts.
Again for people who doesn’t see the need for Froyo you probably will do better or fine with any other old android or even an iphone, the whole point of Android is to be open source which SE has spent great amount of resources and time to lock this device as much as possible, Froyo will make this phone FAST, free some RAM which is quite needed, will take full advantage of the 1Ghz snap dragon, full advantage of the 8.1mp sensor, and not to mention the 16million 4in LCD that we can’t enjoy just yet.
well spoken uliwooly
“just been to XDA and the pre-realise 2.1 OS has not enabled the 16 million colour scope of the screen and is still at 56k and pictures still have a very noticeable colour gradients so it’s still a mid end phone as some pictures on the phone look as bad as some pictures on my old K750i. They better enable the 5 million colour rates as again this is something they said would come with updates.”
Oh Wow, SE it´s getting better and better, the colour scope does not get better with the 2.1 update ?
Where did you buy your tft´s ? Cheaper is the best ?
If this really will come true, for sure this was my last experience with SE, and i was a SE fanboy.
sorry for the typos, I blame X10
“…come on are u serious?? Shame on you all!
And I mean it, because SE are trying to please you by fixing any bugs and any problems that have been reported.” You make it seem as if SE is making us a favor by fixing their buggy phone, …
Well,oliwooli you like x10? Or you are mad at the lack of latest software? I dont speak english so excuse me, immediate not. Teechie geek nerd, I liked when I saw it then in my hand feel good the scrreen is amazing i never ask if it has latest os andrioid as the 99 % of people who buy x10 ,I never use froyo baggin, i dont care if gingerbread. With. 1.6 my phone works Great and fast. Multitouch make more slow the zooming i dont want to use two fingers to zoom screen is not a clit, so stop please, i dont play games no more in my phone,Dont care And its not a race of android os,s 1.6 2.1 2.2 wait or resale this piece of inperfect art
@jack x10
well if u are happy with the phone stop moaning at people who arent and go enjoy your phone
@jack x10
How can you say 99% of people who buy this phone don’t ask if it has the latest version of Android, where do you get your data from?
you do not need to use both fingers to zoom in with multitouch, you have BOTH options you could either use both fingers or you can use one finger using the little – + buttons like you normally do it on the X10.
It seems that you are new to the android OS, It’ll be great if you could get your hands on Samsung Galaxy S running eclair and then Nexus One running Froyo, so you can see the difference on speed, they’re all running the SAME PROCESSOR 1Ghrz snapdragon, but thanx to Android 2.2 you can take full advantage of such, and it will free RAM which is great, it consumes less battery and more important you don’t have to worry about running out of internal memory since Froyo allows you to install apps on your SD card.
you can NOT be happy with the screen, why? well it is 4in its 16million “capable” but since its running 1.6 you can only get 65K. Regarding the game part, multitouch is quite useful not just for videogames, videogames was just an example.
@ x10fan
Exactly, the people who are so stubborn to recognize and realize that SE is not doing what they promise should stop insulting us, us who want our money worth and for SE to deliver what they promised.
Our marketing manager just got the Samsung Galaxy S. I told her it has Android 2.1 and she didn’t even know that is. Majority of phone buyers are most likely in the same boat as her. With looks alone, SE might actually be able to sell the X10 in the US. Although, it’s us, the tech saavy who will suffer with the older OS version.
I couldn’t resist posting something. I’ll be quick and short:
1. I’m a big networking guru and technologist for a very large world wide software company. I understand how software updates take time. Let’s give SE 1 chance to show us what they’ve got.
2. Many of my friends have a Verizon Droid (fill in the blank) and some have the EVO and N1. My phone is faster. Even they have commented on how much faster the xperia is. It pisses them off. This is just a fact.
3. There is nothing wrong with 1.6, however the advantage for 2.1+ is application support. There are SO many apps you cannot get on market using at 1.6 device. 2.2 is a different story as the focus was on OS optimization/performance and other larger features like tethering.
4. Everyone in the US should remember that their OEM xperia is more open than any carrier-supplied android device. This is why Google did not want their N1 supplied by a carrier. Brilliant in my opinion but the US market was not ready for this. Give it 5 years and I bet this will change.
Folks, let’s keep in mind that our x10 is a very stable device compared to what I’ve seen on the EVO, Droid/Droid X, Vibrant, and even Captivate. At least our GPS works…. lol.
Normaly i use phones no more than six months, i have one Month with xperia xten but i m so happy and got the feeling i want to use it three years. complaints about battery ? I HAVE two days now unplugged still on 42 % left
I m using wifi to post this like yesterday what can i say? X10 rules the four inch screen made me abandon my lptop, ok I admit it could be better with 2.1 but i dont want more but i cantar say the wesknesses too.
The flash camera sucks, 4presses to turn on sucks. Install apps internal not the best still no probs. Tv out would be great. But its lame the way everybody cry for 2.?
I never heard the sony e promises. Immediate not disappointed . At least. Its plastic our fight , we better flow
@ SAM
1. Everyone deserve a chance. But comparing SE to other companies, they are wasting their chance. And everybody knows that you have to catch a chance but not wait for one.
2. Faster or slower is just a joke, I can get a N97 and said X10 is faster or I can compare it with a PC and X10 will turn into a junk.
3. Having the same hardware on X10 compare with N1 or whatever. Everyone will be disappointed becos SE are just doing good but not the best.
4. Marketing – SE is totally defeated. Not only becos the software updates, but to understand the customers’ needs. They have failed to fulfil most of the existing X10 users’ hope.
Last, X10 has the japs ancestry, good quality without much defect compare with the others.
@Sam
1) SE had the chance when they announced X10 November 23 2009 and later pushed back on their released so they could work on the OS but they pushed it back even further, then they announced that the OS update will be soon after, again is been how long? How can you explain that SE can’t get their act together and spend money and time working on the OS instead of locking the device and spending so much advertising this phone
2) There is NO WAY NO WAY that X10 is faster than N1 running froyo, thats a fact, I don’t know how you managed to test them. you must make sure you kill all the apps then you can run some test, there are a lot of benchmark test that you can run in them so you can see how SLOW X10 really is.
3) Do you even bother to see and check the advantages of 2.2? it seems that to you an update is just skin deep to get access to more apps and few other enhancements, well it’s more than that, read the above posts.
http://blog.laptopmag.com/android-2-2-froyo-tested-more-than-twice-as-fast-as-2-1 check that out, or this http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/07/benchmark-web-browsing-on-android-2-2-on-the-nexus-one-is-up-to-3x-faster-than-ios-4-on-iphone-4/ or you can run your own test.
It’s really nice to still see wise people that think like Sam, I think those kind of people that really makes our life better. They are patient, think smart, and see the things the way they truly are.
Dear uliwooly,
Is your X10 dropping calls? Is your X10 suffering from crashing? Is your 1.6 version not stable enough ? Is your 1.6 very slow that it takes 10 minutes just to open the menu or change something in the setting.
Please stop this nonsense, stop complaining like a child that wants a candy ! Grow up, we got your point of view and we totally understand that your pissed of se. So either you be patient and wait for the 2.1 version, or just sell your phone. I bet you won’t sell it because you know how good and cool it is. So be grateful, it’s good to be grateful you know.
Stop forcing people to think the way you do, because some people are just not convinced in your theory. You said what you wanted and we get it, so it would be nice to see what other people think as well and give them a fair chance.
And finally stop being brainwashed by advertisements and everything you read, because most of it may be not true, so cool it down will ya! You have a wonderful device and where ever you go, I’m sure a lot of people wonder about the cool device that is in your hands, so be cool and enjoy the Xperia 😀
If a I have a Porsche Turbo I should enjoy the treat I have, instead of complaining why isn’t my car as fast as the Ferrari 599 or Lamborghini Murciélago. The problem with mankind is greed, they always want more, and more means trouble.
I’ve bought the X10 Mini Pro, with the knowledge of it being delivered with 1.6.
I have the patience to wait, and SE’s TimeScape fills the void for me at current.
2.1 is right around the corner, so I have no regrets.
@x10fan:
If you don’t like the phone you are free to buy another product, nobody is stopping you from doing so.
If you think Galaxy S is a great phone, go for it. Well I’m sure before buying X10 you knew the software it was running on i.e Android 1.6…and what are its limitation compared to the other products that were in the market at time of its release. Galaxy S was launched after X10 was already in the market. SE always said it will release android 2.1 in Q4. X10 with its UI makes it stand out from the rest of the phones, There is hardly any difference between 2.0 and 1.6 as SE provided most of those features in their UI even being on android 1.6.
Talking about flash support, Flash is just to bulky and moreover causes your mobile device to drain 2-3 times the power to run it.
X10 has a better design (hope Samsung learns something from SE) and X10 ain’t that bad a phone like people are referring to…It’s just that one doesn’t know how to use it.
So its up to you to wait for the release of android 2.1 or move on.
@jack x ten
Install Vignette app from ipmart-forum or android market , it gives u the feature of auto flash along with cool effects 🙂
@ravz
i luv the phone and unlike u i know a lot about se all the way from when it was just ericsson. It is my right as a customer to be unhappy if they are not delivering. As i said if your happy with the phone as it is get off this post and go enjoy it. The people who are here are advanced users who want upgrades and luv technology not the adverage user who just buys a phone based on what the guy at the shop suggests.
I have been using SE phones for years so i know what im talking about matey iv seen Sony Ericsson from first color screen right up to where they are now. My interest is in the survival of the company not just a few updates
Just to add more to this, Try visiting the forums of the phone’s you folks comparing with and listen to their customer’s . For Example Samsung Galaxy S, No flash , leave alone auto flash or weak flash…Battery drains quicker than X10, Amoled Screen (ok good display no doubt) but unreal colour and sucks under sunlight…Design is normal and nothing that feels out of the world…The point is you may think X10 sucks thinking other phones are better but trust other phones are at the same level as X10 🙂 they all lack one or the other feature…no phone is perfect so live with what u got and i’m sure SE will release android 2.1 as promised but yes if they don’t then you have a reason to be angry.
PS: Have used Iphone 3GS,X10,Samsung Wave,Samsung Galaxy S, Nexus 1…so I know what i’m talking about.
@x10fan
I’m an android developer and work with telecom software company which develops software for SE,Samsung,Iphone …etc.
The thing is you know what u bought when u actually went to the shop. This is my second SE phone first being k790i Cybershot.
If i don’t like the phone I just buy a new phone and that’s the end of it and sell my previous one.
@ ravz, your an android develooper…. whats your point?
doesn’t mean you actually know what consumers want. Yh i know what i brought, i love my phone and i love SE im concerned about the company not the phone alone i dont think your quite intelligent enough to understand that. Who cares if your an android developer, the fact that you are and still telling me if im not happy with the phone to buy a different one makes me think your even dumber. I have many friends in the developer industry and they know SE are slow to update so your job title flashing does nott mean anything to me unless your the SE ceo
… I don’t want to make this sound dumb, BUT, I’m not a newbie either. What is the big deal if it launches with Android 1.6 or 2.1 or 2.2?… This is just an OS!, a software, a set of files… It can be upgraded. This is the equivalent of being on the market to buy a house and complain about the paint color on the walls… This can be fixed, replaced and upgraded. Indeed, we might have to wait a bit for the correct version or at the moment you open the box it kind of lets you down, but you know it can be upgraded, so do your part and stop complaining.
@SE2010
It’s quite amusing to see that even your “name” has been brainwash and you must emphasize your enfatution for a brand that has let down their customers. I still don’t understand why don’t you accept the FACTS not opinions, because your arguments are based on opinions, logical fallacies and personal attacks. to answer your questions the same way you do, perhaps that will make you see the reality of this phone. It does drop calls, the proximity sensor is better than the iPhone 4 but if you compare it with other leading androids there’s not competition specially if you add ram, and compare speeds, but thats another point that you keep ignoring. does my X10 crash, it does, I can NOT run multiple apps because it will slow down and it will star force clossing the apps and then it will get really hot, drain the battery and crash and I’m not the only one, there are many X10 users experiencing the same issues. there are no other Androids that will take them 10minutes to open the menu, so that’s plain stupid to bring up a phone that will take 10 minutes to open anything, but then again is your opinion “logical fallacies” and not FACTS. show me the facts, show me facts where people are happy with their X10 the way it is, with really bad battery life, slow phone, read above the other issues (I hope you’re not so bias that you will ignore and not read the other things other people and myself had posted), it doesn’t take 10minutes but when I’m running multiple things it doesn’t work properly, it lags A LOT, just to even send a simple TXT it will slow down to the point the keys won’t respond as I press them but couple seconds later, this is not related to my phone and my phone only, this can happen and will happen to anyone who run multiple apps.
Again insulting and attacking the facts won’t change SonyEricsson lack of commitment to their customers. you can rant all you want defending your infatuated love for such corporation all you want is your right, but one thing you should respect is other people’s opinion, especially if they are different and/or opposing perspectives at yours; even further, if those opinions have real facts and yours well just your hope and opinion then the person who has to stop acting like a child is no one else but you.
You can not say you understand because you can not comprehend the whole issue your blind love for SE wont allow you to see it, we will get 2.1 but the point is that 2.1 is quite slow compare to 2.2 and 1.6 well there’s no competition there. its about getting your money’s worth and for SE to fulfill their promises. they promised 2.1 SOON AFTER, it’s been close to 5months, without been bias, can you really be honest and objective to answer something simple, has SE fulfill all their promises?
Unlike you, I don’t care about advertisement I look for facts and I check the phones myself, I put them side to side, I know my facts; that’s the reason I use FACTS not opinions. It seems that you’re new to android and your infatuation for SE won’t let you enjoy the advantage of having an android device, if you pay the same amount for a brand new computer, the leading one has windows 7 but your computer cost the same but it has windows NT w/ a promise of an update soon after to Vista yes vista not XP, would you be happy with that? or if you’re a mac person which you really seem like an iphone fan that happens to like SE, would you want a computer that has OS 9.2 and you can NOT upgrade yourself you have to wait for the 10.2 update while everybody is running 10.6? now this is an example, unlike yours you can not use Porsche turbo and compare it to a Lamborghini because the X10 is not, the OS wont allow you to take full advantage of the hardware. Do everybody a favor and do some research buy some other phones or borrow them and have an objective comparison between them so you can open your eyes, I’m stuck with this phone, and I want my money worth and SE to fulfill their promises, stop saying that I should sell it, there are lots of people who will buy it but who will buy it for the full price that they pay for?
@x10fan
If you’re a fan of SE (if its true as per your name) you would have the patience and trust in SE instead of trying to attack SE , appreciate what it offers.
I’m not an SE fan or any brand as a matter of fact, I don’t care which brand my phone is… if i like what I see..I buy the phone …not brand conscious .
and every handset caters different section of people. If you don’t like it then you have other options available with u.
and btw me knowing about customer? Well i’m a customer myself coz i own this phone.
you being concerned about the SE as a company? are you a share holder? if yes then you should be worried else why does it matter to u , how SE is doing.
me as an android developer, I know the things this phone is capable of even if its on OS 1.6..and i’m sure you haven’t even explored 50% of the things it offers and btw check the api’s available in android developers community and you will know SE has done a fantastic job in backporting the functionalities available in 2.1 to 1.6.
i’m not anti you or anyone pi**ed at SE….if u like your phone , have patience about the update instead of cribbing all the time about the things that this phone can’t do. Its kinda irritating to see all the comments about the same stuff repeated over n over again as if that’s gonna get you the update any quicker.
Im not trying to defend anybody but people have the right to be pissed at a compagny that sells
Their phone at an equal price to the other companies and that is offerinf less and later.
Also, when i called se customer service about the firwarw update they didnt even know about 5 days after it was released. How can samsung , motorolla and the nexus one get the 2. 2 update before we even get the 2. 1? Its a lack of trying coz 3 companies are already ahead.
@ramih2085
In that case mate, I would not buy the phone if it doesn’t fit my need.
for me the OS version doesn’t matter much..I have work around for all those stuff that the phone doesn’t have at the moment. But i bought X10 coz I liked it’s design and the interface is just too good from the stock android found on other phones. The only issue I have is with the battery at the moment which doesn’t give me enough backup time when push email is activated…SE customer care in my country is great and that’s the reason I bought X10.
So the customers are now responsible for not getting the update in time, because they were so stupid to buy the phone.
“Fit my need” bull…
SE promised a fast update and MT, later they rowed backwards, because nobody at SE really knew if this phone will get MT or not, but they left it open, so that the dumb customers buy it hoping they get MT, and a fast update.
At the time i ordered the X10 SE promised fast update and MT, so i was dumb ? it did not fit my needs ?
Then when i got it i waited, and the rumours about MT went bigger and smaller, but i still had hope.
Now i can´t sell it because you get nothing for it.
The fact is i need MT and the promised update.
If others don´t, that doesn´t interest me, if others just buy the phone for to whatever, that doesn´t interest me. I need the promised things, i payed for them.
so don´t say i bought the phone that didn´t fit my needs.
God i dislike these SE fanboys so much
Lets meet togehter at the nearest firing range, and put our X10 ´s in front, and let us see how fast they really are…
i have Swiss K31´s, H&K Sl7 and Beretta Fs92 perhabs we can make this X10 faster…
You are pissed of the customers service, and some fanboys are telling you that you don´t have to be pissed, it´s forbidden and whatever…
What world are we living in….
Here are few things I want to point out
Yes indeed Xperia X10 looks quite amazing, it some good pieces of hardware, like the 1Ghrz snapdragon, higher pixel density than the captivate and even more than the Evo which is ridiculous that having a 4.3in screen has the 480 x 800 pixels (xperia x10 480 x 854), the droid x has the same amount of pixels as the X10 and well iphone clearly won this one since they have (640 x 960), which I don’t understand why will sony wont use better LCDs than the X10 has. It is nice but not as good as it could be.
Camera sensor, clearly SE is the winner since it has 8.1megapixels but if the Camera is sluggish, lacks flash and yes I’m aware of vignette app but you can not call that a flash, is as bright as the photolight so its pointless. The time between the first picture and the second picture is quite slow, not to mention the time it takes to capture the picture after you touch the screen or press down the shutter, even SE W580 has burst mode.
@Ravz
Can you share your knowledge on how to work around what X10 lacks? How can you see and/or interact with websites that require FLASH? And no skyfire won’t work, why? Because skyfire only works on video and if there are multiple videos it wont work altogether and if there’s only one video and that video happen to have an ad before the actual stream, then it will work in the background with a persistent loading ad on the front, so you wont be able to watch all videos.
How can you add more apps that you can fit in the 1GB internal memory? How can you add more RAM? Can you make your battery last longer WITHOUTH sacrificing 3G, GPS, Screen brightness and running multiple apps? How can you make the LCD screen display 16million colors when 1.6 sets the limit to 65K? how can you improve the digitizer so it you can input text faster? How can you zoom in faster w/o relying on the little – + icons? Etc etc all this are based on things that SE promised the X10 was going to be capable of.
It seems that you keep saying that we should understand and thank the effort SE is putting on this update, when its going to be only 2.1, an update which was promised months ago, the point is that it will be release in the US with 1.6 which is stupid, and a SOON AFTER UPDATE to 2.1 I wonder if they’re going to push the update back even further so they can attempt to sell this phone during the holidays by the end of the year, I’m a customer and I pay for this phone believing on SE’s promises, I want my money worth and SE to deliver, you can defend all you want but again the facts are there.
@mac
Good idea, you can rely on other objective unbias test they’d done to the X10 compared to N1, EVO, iphone 4, iphone 3Gs, etc etc or you can go ahead and retest them but you know at the end they wont admit nor see the facts, because they are infatuated with this company or with the phone, yes it looks nice and have some good pieces of hardware but it lacks a great OS that can take full advantage of them and 2.1 wont do it.
Ok, so you guys are mad about SE not shipping whit 2.1. But why? I can see from a marketing standpoint that this is a bad idea. But so far I haven’t red any reason to why ppl are so mad. I love the X10, in fact every time I hold it in my hand I fall in love with it again;) They way it feels in the hand, the screen, camera, timescape and now the ability to root it:D I used to be pissed by only having 1.6 myself, but after calming down and actually think about it I’m quite happy with what I got.
What I’m really looking forward to is the 2.2 with JIT compiler, rumour haw it that this may have some great results on the battery life:) Which will be cancelled out by running flash;) But who cares.
I think a new blog post is required to give everyone else something to talk about lol.
I have an x10 and to be quite honest I’mhappy overall, I still want 2.2 purely because I played on a desire running it and the speed is phenomenal compared to 2.1 amd the x10 and also the flash feature. I think its fair to say Sony have buggered up this time and are either going to throw in the towel and just release a new Android device that they can keep on top of, or be forever chasing the big dogs and playing catch-up. 🙁
@mac
SE never promised MT, It was just a rumor on the internet that you fell for can’t blame SE for that.Whatever they promised has been going on as per what they said.
i’ve had the x10 for about 3 months now, I know it sucks to not have the latest android software available however, the X10 which runs on donut does compete with android 2.1.. i’ve compared my x10 with other other droid phones running OS 2.1 and higher. the result is either x10 is faster or as fast as their phones. SE did program the phone with 1.6 and added their own codes to optimize its performance and compete with the newer android o.s, SE is doing the same thing with xperia x10 that will run on 2.1, SE will also add their own codes to make it perform better than other phones running on 2.1. Also, I wonder if you people that complain about the x10 performance actually knows how to use your phone and maintain it. Just because a device that does not have the latest OS version would mean the device sucks!! All of us with the X10 are waiting for a software update from SE and I agree that SE sucks with telling their consumer the exact date of when their device will receive their upgrade for each market. THIS FRUSTRATES THE HECK OUT OF ME ALSO.. i hope they keep it together and not tell consumers that quarter 3 and quarter 4 crap and tell us the exact dates. but other than that, the x10 that runs on android 1.6 is still better than other android phones running 2.1. it does what it’s suppose to!!!
uliwooly,
ur just marketing other phones and you don’t even own a X10 so you might as well shut your biased opinion. if ur happy with your iphone good for you! 🙂
hey uliwooly,
Seriously u need to shut up.If you don’t like your phone why did you buy it at the first place.
Everyone knows SE didn’t say it will support Multi-touch and Even if it doesn’t have 2.2 who cares at least it doesn’t hang like other wannabe phones.
Ravz,
Agree with you mate.Most of the people commenting bad about the X10 don’t even own one. You should look at the faces of those who don’t own X10 and have some Samsung or Motorola or whateva in their hand when they look at X10 in my hand. Priceless.
X10fan,
Are you for real? you call yourself a fan. Joke lol
@uliwooly
Have u got no hobbys that u siting so long on computer and writing so long texts?
@ Ravz
Most of the people are mad because they were promised a fast update which they didn’t deliver. And yes, i bought the phone expecting a fast update with alot of features. Thats why they announced it while they released the phone, to buy you. You can’t blame anybody for trusting an ‘international company’ . People are mad because everybody is ahead except them. They delivered GREAT HARDWARE without the software. That’s the problem. When u pay a phone that is supposed to handle 16 million colors (or whatever number) and it handles 65k because of the lack of support there is a huge problem. You have the right to be disappointed.
For comparison, the iPhone os 4.01 was released to fix the bugs 1 month after the launch in the US. Sony released the firmware update 3 months later after it’s release. I just want to know how can Samsung, Motorola, etc can release updates so fast when SE (an international company with so many ressources) can’t do the same. I just want to know…
@ Ravz
Most of the people are mad because they were promised a fast update which they didn’t deliver. And yes, i bought the phone expecting a fast update with alot of features. Thats why they announced it while they released the phone, to buy you. You can’t blame anybody for trusting an ‘international company’ . People are mad because everybody is ahead except them. They delivered GREAT HARDWARE without the software. That’s the problem. When u pay a phone that is supposed to handle 16 million colors (or whatever number) and it handles 65k because of the lack of support there is a huge problem.
For comparison, the iPhone os 4.01 was released to fix the bugs 1 month after the launch in the US. Sony released the firmware update 3 months later after it’s release. I just want to know how can Samsung, Motorola, etc can release updates so fast when SE (an international company with so many ressources) can’t do the same. I just want to know…
@ Brendan,
Most of the people commenting have an X10 or were planning on buying one but since SE is not trust worthy they didn’t. All are potential buyers, if they weren’t they wouldn’t be commenting on that issue (or else they got no life…)
@ramih2085:
That’s true and can totally understand the frustration but then again talking about it over again n again won’t do any good right? They won’t be speeding up anyway.
SE customizes the OS completely and where as Samsung/Motorola deliver stock Android without any changes made to the code.
Talking about Apple they only have one phone to tackle with and that too is not perfect and being a major software company and they still don’t have a bug free process. So if a company like Apple can make a blunder about teaching its users how to hold a phone – its another way of saying all iphone users are dumb and they dont know how to hold a phone without admitting they made a mistake in their part..Apple still got away.
Trust me Apple lacks in many common features which are found even on the cheapest phones why don’t people talk about it?
Apple Iphone? No Flash support?
Samsung Galaxy S? No Camera flash? what were they thinkin…
So why scrutinize SE?
Ya apple’s reception problem is a big fail imo. But they still delievered ‘good OS’ which has helped the phone sell. Android 1.6 is not smooth and thats the first thing people look at. Android 2.1 is much smoother than 1.6. Also, the problem is, SE delievered a product that wasn’t complete. Thats why people are mad like i said. The delievered a flash on the camera but it blinds people when i take pictures lol…
The iphone 4 has automatic flash that the phone uses when it’s needed only. I love the X 10 and i am talking about the issue here because i don’t want to sell the phone i wanna keep it. But for that, they have to give me something equal to the other phones. I mean we got no tethering (unless u root), no automatic flash, a cheap color display…a first generation software when the third is coming out in Q4) But i still agree with your comment about samsung and apple. Apple tho , even if they got lacks, they delievered alot. They innovated in touch screen phones, thats why people forgive them.
@uliwooly
Seriously dude, like others stated, go get a life and stop crying about the whole issue! You keep repeating that your speaking facts not opinion, so can you explain to me why do most of the people in this forum disagree with you since you speak facts ?!
Your not saying a fact at all, and your not even sharing your opinion! All your doing is whining and whining all over again! With no point other than to waste others time. Grow up please, and if your not convinced in SE that just leave them.
Your funny, you remind me of girls that keep saying that they hate their boy friend and they will leave him and yet they keep calling all day! Dude, if you like SE than be patient and stop complaining. Otherwise, go buy another phone which I doubt you will do, because you still want your X10 badly 🙂
Ha you guys made my day, its quite amusing that you all attack me because I have facts, I do own an X10 among other phones, but then again you call me bias because I have an objective opinion about the X10 again based on FACTS, I dislike the iphone and I hate the “i” culture, but people like Brendan, Ryan, etc are so infatuated with this phone that might as well go get an iphone, yes I do have hobbies, one of them is see how pathetic bias and ignorant people can be when they hide behind a computer and blog nonsense and to top it off use multiple accounts or screen names so they feel they have others sharing their same opinions.
@ Ryan are you blind, ignorant or just plain stupid? If you READ above you can check the links and you can read (if you can) what SE said about MT, not just that but there’s a press release where a CEO confirmed MT with 2.1 update. Do some research on facts.
@nitro
How can you know something is good if you don’t compare it with other phones, do you not comprehend what bias is? Here educate yourself (bias) you can not have a good idea of the product w/o testing others.
@ Brendan
Go tell … to shut up, its quite obvious that you do NOT know how to read, if you did, you could’ve easily click the above links and read for yourself that SE did promised MT, SE promise an update to 2.1 soon after it was release, etc etc. now the
@ usuck
yes I have a hobby but your mom is busy schooling you hahahaha jk but seriously its amusing when people keep using different Screen names so they can hide and claim that more people share the same opinion
@ SE2010
If you don’t like what I type then don’t read it. Its so funny that I remind you of many things, you have issues and need to get over them. This is about Android, SE and X10,not about your mommy or daddy issues.
Both of you proved my point, that you don’t have any facts if you cant see them, well you might have to do a little effort to scroll up and click on the links if you don’t like them, do a little research and inform yourself oh and by the way “so can you explain to me why do most of the people in this forum disagree with you since you speak facts” I don’t see most of people disagreeing with me? Besides you using different screen names what “most of the people” are you talking about? Are you referring to people who are infatuated with SE or for those who this is their first Android and haven’t been able to use another android to COMPARE and have an UNBIAS opinion of the phone, but oh no wait, that will be bias if you try other phones. hahahha
Seriously man you need help ! Go see a doctor or something, your just making a fool out of your self, and this is not only my opinion, many users also told you to cool down or be quiet. But you never learn do you? What are you getting out of all this? No wonder why you don’t like SE, since you function and think in this way.
Cool down and stop insulting people, because I don’t think it’s the best way to convince them with what you think.
hey ravz/&¨¨ very accurate in your comments , well i have a very bad english but you express better than me to reply to bashers and unhappy customers , one of them I understand some they are angry but we can wait , later this night ill connect via wifi to market to download vignetta, sounds interesting, cause the flash function is a let down for me, nice to see you here
One thing for sure is, if SE is doing great, all the coments above will not be your mother, his mother or her mother whatever…
man this is the first time I’ve seen this site and its readers resort to what trashy bloggers do: name calling and all that. I do miss the intelligent comments made by people on this site in the past
@se2010
If you’re so happy with your x10 why do you even bother commenting here, the only one insultig is you but what else can we expect from peole like you, go ahead keep attacking me i can care less if I was so crazy like you say no body will agree with me but there are thousands of people who agree with me, if you are so stupid and ignorant then be, if you’re a smart you should visit the official SE blog and check the thousands and thousands if complains but your stupidity and little baby’s ego might get hurt, so pathetic but its a interesting technique to avoid facing the facts and based your comments on personal attacks, I askex you simple questions even a little kid could understand but still you can’t answer, why? Because you will contradict your fallacies (arguments) hahha this is fun.
@steve
Don’t we all
@Steve
Most if not all humans are trashy and so when we have free for all discussions, this is what comes out ha ha
@uliwooy
Again insulting others that disagree with you ! And accusing them that they are insulting you.
Dude what are you gaining out of all this? Are you young ? And this is the best way you can reveal your self. Because trust me, grown ups and mature people use better ways than insulting and calling names all the time. OK well it’s true that sometime we may loose our temper. But if it’s a habit than this means there is a problem. Go review all the comments with the people that disagreed with you, and you will find that you called them names and insulted them. Do you think this is healthy?
And by the way I’m not attacking you, there are plenty of other people that told you to stop what you are doing because it’s not acceptable. Just learn to respect people even if they don’t share the same point of you that you do.
Peace !
@uliwooly
Good points, totally agree. I bought it based on hardware specs, believing the upgrades would actually follow. Bummer. I don’t care about timescape or mediascape or whatever scape. I can’t believe any user actually does care (or the marketing campaign did work ;)) since there are enough apps making it totally obsolete. SE should dump the scape crap, which should speed up the release of 2.2. But that will never happen since the market it as the best thing on Android.
@SE 2010 what he’s doing is not acceptable? Who are you? Mother Teresa? Your wrong btw, uliwooly did not start the insults. Guess you are too lazy to read the comments.
As stated by himself uliwooly just pointed out the facts and got a lot of stupid ‘your bad, I love my phone’ brainless answers.
Hope this thing gets rooted soon. A custom rom might be the only way to ever get 2.2
@pow : So it was your bad you bought it looking at the hardware itself, you should have known what you wanted from your phone. If it didn’t suit your bill you could have gone for any other phone.
As for me it has everything I need and with 2.1 around the corner things can only get better 🙂
These arguments are pointless and non-constructive.
I see where uliwooly and pow are coming from, its fair to say SE didnt live up to what they said/announced after the Xperia X10 launch.
Its fair to say that there are flaws in this handset (as there are flaws in everything).
What isn’t right is to say that SE have f**kd up with this phone. This phone is one of the many which I have had, not to say im a tech nerd or anything, but I do know how I like my tech to be. And I have to say X10 the way it is with android 1.6, its totally smoother than majority of the devices running 2.1. Don’t believe me? My best mate and I got our first androids together, He the HTC Desire and me the Xperia. I dont know if anyone has actually done a fair comparison of the two, but Xperia did lag behind interms of battery, speed, responsiveness and overall stability. But I dont know if all of you have received the latest R2—026 update from SE yet, but since I got that, Xperia tops my mates Desire. Speed of 1.6 with the updates from sony tops 2.1, battery of xperia tops desire 2.1 (mine lasts atleast 36 hours unplugged, 3G enabled, use of apps and calls now). And if you are to honestly take a look at your Xperia X10 (that is if you actually have one) and compare it to many of the other handsets out there, the X10 is FAR more beautiful inside and out however you look at it.
Bottom line, Sony will continue to update this handset I believe. The process may be slow, but quit whinging and look at the facts. Really if i have the time I will make a video of 1.6 X10 with the latest update against the HTC desire (which has so much more recognition on the net, but my mate admits the xperia is better) and show how SE have made 1.6 far more than what it can be.
Conclusion, I CANT WAIT TILL 2.1.
Specially if it has the same boost from sony as 1.6 did, because if it does, im sure alot of you people doubting and bit**ing about this handset will have a leave of absence from this site 🙂
Dont be a little baby and cry have u iphone or x10? You writing so long texts i cant read it all 😉 i have got hobby not like u
@se2010
not insulting just responding the same way you responded. don’t start something you can’t handle, perhaps next time you’ll stop being so ignorant and disrespectful. you just can’t accept the facts. go ahead and reply with other insults if you can and AVOID facing the facts and real issue and main topic.
@usuck
Exactly my point, you don’t read everything not even simple comments, there’s no way you will click on the links and read the facts; not to mention doing a little research on your own and find the facts not opinions. so sad you should really get your act together and stop this before you make a bigger fool of yourself even more.
@Otto
My question still lingers, how do you manage to make you’re battery last so long? do you keep brightness to the lowest, do you run and keep open multiple apps? by 12hours my x10 is down to 20%, I have to charge it at least twice a day. I’d compared it to other androids that’s why I know the battery life is not what it could be. It looks a bit complicated for X10 to update the X10 even further, specially after sony’s hybrid Android 3.0 + PSP.
hey mate, my battery last 14 hours and drain before i delete the facebook widget, installed advance task manager and started to last 42 hours heavy use, now i update to 026 and last 39 hours aprox, and if you turn off 3g last 48 , 50 hours , turn off aotomatic updates on timestape and data itinerancy, hope this help, im happy because this its true
i wrote the up comment for uliwooli, sorry my error
Another reason to nag SE for Android 2.2: Google Voice Actions available only on Android 2.2 Not that I’d use it a lot (I wouldn’t want everyone around me to know who I’m calling or what website I’m going to look at) but it’s nice to have.
quite useful if you’re working out or if you’re driving.
@Uliwooly, After the R2BA023 update my X10 lasts for two day with normal use. Several emails, 2 or 3 phone calls, some website browsing, several texts, some bejeweled. I have 7 home screens and a lot of widgets.
If I use a lot more than that I usually, have 30% left at 10PM at night and I just top it up anyway because I don’t like seeing 20% when I get up in the morning.
I can’t disagree with the anger out there but I’m not so much dissapointed in the fact that they are coming out with 1.6…. I more pissed off at how long it took to come to the US! This device was ahead of its time when it came out all over the world but the delay for the US is mindblowing. In defense of SE it is well known that US carriers dont support SE and in addition… there were reports that the hold up was also related to the finalization for licenses here in the us.
Even so, SE really screwed up by not announcing imminent release and keeping their mouths shut for nearly a year regarding release in the US. I researched the upgrades between android releases and found that there isnt a huge difference in what i want to do between 1.6 to 2.1 so it doesnt matter to me. What I really want is 2.2 because it includes flash 10 support.
@Martin,
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that SE will backport Flash support to their version of 2.1. Also hoping that they tweak it enough so that there won’t me too many performance issues.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-install-flash-10-1-on-android-2-1-eclair-devices/
@uksuck, i geuss you’re one of those kids thats somehow figured out how to bypass NetNanny set by your parents.
@Uliwooly, i achieved my battery life almost exactly how jack x10 and gene said, i dont use timescape, or facebook and have removed moxier and all the branding of my xperia. But i do use my phone normally for calls emais and texts. it is possible to get such good battery results with the new update if you adjust it around
@ Gene,
WOW!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! I didn’t know you could do that! now i want 2.1!
@Gene
I have the R2BA026 on X10a but my battery sucks, If I use Google Maps for 30min it will eat 10% of my battery, the other day I was using “My Tracks” for 3 hours, my phone was 100% and it was the ONLY app running, I didnt txt nor use anything else, and after those 3 hours I had 12% left. After a regular day of txting, few phone calls, using the camera, playing some music, videos and surfing the web my battery will be at 30% by around 4pm (it was 100% at 6am). if I watch a video online well that will kill the battery rather quick, during the world cup, just for the first half of a game it will kill 35% of the battery in low brightness.
@Otto
I don’t want to sound like the other up there creating facts out of their … but so far I don’t know of anyone that uses Timescape. its a good concept but in reality its quite useless.
Oliwooly i recomend you install again the 026 software coz theres something draining your battery, i use my phone very heavy … since yesterday i dont plug it it has 43% battery left. During nite i read the battery widget it tell me you have use 0% battery in 60 min. Your phone doesnt sleep maybe,
I have to agree with the battery and update issues that jack x10 and Otto raise.
Before back on the firmware my X10i shipped with, within 30 mins of being unplugged in the morning, before I had done anything with the phone, it would drain by 25%, and by midday be left on 20% charge even though I had done nothing with it.
Now on 026 it will lose 12% in the first 1.5 hours of the morning as I web browse, check emails and face book and twitter (with both apps running on 1 hour update, and timescape on a 30 min update, as I like how timescape synchs with the contacts list and allows me to easily view entire twitter histories. I think Timescape needs more functionality to make it worth it but the way SE does contacts is great). I have advanced app killer to stop anything going overboard (I’m looking at you moxier… just how do I remove you).
After a typical day of 17 hrs online it will hit 20%, and that is with two email accoutns being checked on the hour, facebook and twitter apps checking on the hour, twitter and facebook widgets running, timescape running updates on the half hour and with 3G on and web browsing and some video via Opera/Skyfire.
So yeah battery issues in a post 023 firmware world are just not there anymore (which is why I cry for O2 customers not having a firmware update yet).
Guys have you seen the new google voice?
You can use it to call someone, send sms, navigate and so on.
Oh i forgot it requires froyo… same for ‘chrome to phone’
More and more apps will require 2.2.
Who claims to be happy with 1.6 doesn’t fully realize how many apps is missing (not to mention other advantages) and more to come.
Who really need teethering, and more speed? Maybe someone.
But everyone would enjoy new apps, apps on SD, flash support.
So i have no right to be disappointed by SE?
I will not be able to use new google voice but ..wow in exchange i have timescape. Great deal!!
As a software developer i can’t understand why it takes so long for SE to update a bunch of applications unless they want to completely rewrite them using new APIs.
I’m sure there are good guys at SE but i guess product managers don’t really understand the difference between 2.1 and 2.2.
They don’t care about customers, they are still convinced that people buy x10 because of their custom app but nobody does.
I paid for my x10mini and i expect a decent support and regular upgrades.
Not to be upgraded after months to an obsolete android version.
Hey uliwooly yeah i agree timescape is useless, more to the fact is that if you root your phone (like I have using the universal androot app) and remove it along with moxier and all the other bull that came along from your provider, there is a MASSIVE performance increase. Specially after removing timescape, as it constantly updates in the background. So I dare say that Xperia x10 has one of the greatest potentials out there amongst the androids, and alot of the sony pre installed are sluggish and impractical. Timescape is an awesome idea and looks fantastic and woos anyone who sees it, but bottom line is it is a resource monster.
I still am eager to see the 2.1 update from SE though, as I do believe it should be more than what 2.1 is on other devices. And im sure there is some way to port flash onto it (e.g. link above stated by Gene).
I’m glad this thread has become more constructive, as this is my #1 X10 site 🙂
@Otto
Goto Timescape settings and uncheck auto update , that does the trick.
Moxier Mail gives u the ability of push email which I want in my phone. Push email in any phone is a power drainer anyday.
@Stefano
It does take time mate, and as a software developer im sure you know testing and development is done by different outsourced companies, a single project is not handled by one company alone. and there are different companies involved in this which is why its taking time.
Yes 2.2 is great but I can wait 🙂 Not in any hurry really.
@Dr Ether:
Without having the push email activated and all other apps that require internet connection for updates deactivated , my battery drops about 1 % in about 2 hrs on R2BA026.
For general use without much use of internet I get about 2-3 days easily with about 2 hours of calling daily…
But on having my push email activated I get about 8-9 hrs 🙁
R2BA020 was better in this regard i.e battery consumption on push email
@jack x10
Yep lemme know about the Vignette once u install, try looking for the same app in ipmart-forum u will get a crack version. Since its a paid software and can only get a demo version on the android market. Its great to see u here too buddy 😀
@Ravz
I’m not an android developer (not yet lol, just started to study it) and i know that a good job takes time.
What i can not understand and tolerate is the lack of an upgrade path and their support.
Are you sure 2.2 will ever be available? None is.
When i asked SonyEricsson they told me (in a very bad italian) that current version will be upgraded to 2.1 or probably to 2.2, they have no infos about it.
For more infos i should check android website (???)
I thought i was not clear so i mailed back and they sent me the same answer (with the word probably in bold italic)
Do you think this is an answer ? If they have no infos who should i contact?
I paid also for technical support and this is not what i’m expecting.
@Ravz
One more thing
Here is an interesting video about windows office and how microsoft invented the ribbon toolbar: http://videos.visitmix.com/MIX08/UX09
What has to do with x10?
To create new office UI Microsoft watched hundreds of customer using it, watched which features were commonly used, listened to customer advices.
That’s how a product should grow up, driven by customers ( not by what a manager thinks customers want).
That’s what i’d love to see
@uliwooly
hey i’ve read all the comments and i see you have been wasting time explaining to some ppl that just don’t understand and most likely never will!….everything you’ve said is true we as all x10 owners got f**** over with this product. for those who don’t get it yet just go to the sony ericsson x10 blog and see for yourselfs.
so the battle is over for me now, waiting till HTC brings out his Desire HD, should be after the 15.september or better said oktober. Best informed by vodafone management. The first retailer who has it gets my money.
then my X10 will retire, with or without eclair or froyo, it doesn´t interest me than anymore. Just too late. Sorry folks and fanboys, be happy with your, what ever you have…
there,s a phone for every person and his needs , but there,s no perfect phone at all. x10 is perfect for me now, stop complaining and buy other if youre not happy enough. galaxy, droids, htc,nokia there are a bunch outhere. i bought what i wanted and more expected less, and 2.1 2.2 its not going to change my world.
Hey ravz***** tnx mate the app is good and fun it has a lot of filters the stock camera must come with all those features. .. I register on italy ipmart forum to download it, the cracked version is on my pc. Tomorrow i will install it cause is true only accept 0.3 mpx on demo version. Tnx all the apps im still got to know im still not desperate for the new update but im curiuos about it. I would b happy with 2.1 eclair but 2.2 a pleasant surprise if happen. I install camera fx is cool. Try it,see ya
What in the hell are you clowns going on about? Sony’s mod’ version of 1.6 has most of the features from 2.1 and even some from 2.2. Any that aren’t, such as tethering, can be downloaded from the market.
All in all, the only differences between a HTC Desire running 2.2 Froyo and an Xperia 10 running 1.6 are
1. Support for Adobe Flashplayer 10.1
2. Live wallpaper
P.S. Don’t even try to justify Androids claim that performance has improved by 400%-500% because quite frankly it’s a load of crap. Don’t believe me? Go to youtube and search desire versus x10. You’ll find the x10 kicks the desires butt on just about everything.
@rick
go to youtube and search desire v x10? really? that’s how you figure things out? you need to compare them yourself. if you have Nexus One running froyo and X10; well there’s no competition, and no I didn’t watch a video or read someone saying that x10 is fast or that this or that I compared them myself. now you can NOT have tethering in your X10 unless you root it, if there’s another app that allows that w/o tethering let me know. Adobe Flash is needed and quite important, Live wallpaper well its nice but that’s only skin deep. with 2.2 you have for more than just that, but then again you need to really look into it, and not just relying on youtube videos. You forgot to mention IMPORTANT aspects of froyo such as: it will free some RAM, will allow to display 16million colors and not just 65k (2.1 will allow to display 16million) you can install apps in your memory card and not clutter your Internal Memory which at the end slows down your phone (not a lot but it will add up) N1 running froyo it is fast, and it is at least 3x faster than 2.1. you don’t have to believe me but you can run tests on your own and see the facts.
@rick
I forgot to ask you, what are those features from 2.1 and 2.2? : “Sony’s mod’ version of 1.6 has most of the features from 2.1 and even some from 2.2.”
@uliwooly
There are many apps on the android market which lets u tether without root, like easy tether.adobe flash work around is using skyfire browser which has built in flash player lite.
I’m an N1 user and own an X10 as well and there is no way I could tell my N1 is running faster even on froyo compare to X10. Root your X10 and move your apps to memory card 🙂
Everything is achievable.well almost.so instead of blaming the phone for it lacks, work around for ways you can make it happen.After all its an open source.
@Kevin
as I explained above, yes Skyfire works to watch videos, but not all videos, and flash is not just about videos, how would you manage to use skyfire to websites that are entirely build on flash and/or menus, etc? if you know a way around it, I’m really interested on finding a way around it. Another HUGE downfall of using skyfire to watch videos is that it will drain a LOT of your battery, so it’s not the best option to watch long videos/streams on it. I don’t know how can’t you tell that N1 runs extremely fast compared to the X10 I have both and there no competition. N1 running froyo is about 4 times faster than X10. specially if you have multiple apps open then N1 is even faster.
@jack x10: So that linked worked I gave you? 🙂 so how did u find it?
What are X10 owner legal options if SE fails to deliver a upgrade to 2.1 or 2.2 in Q4 ? Based on their (SE) reports, i am considering purchasing the phone but do not want to be stuck in the 1.6 Android lane while other phones continue to leave X10 owners in the dust.
jay gee:
Microsoft would be bankrupt many years ago if you had a legal option to demand a certain upgrade and quality standard other than the one delivered with your initial purchase. Yes, it is questionable that they can sell products that have faults, but everyone does it, including HTC, Motorola, Apple and Nokia.
ravz´´´´´the link worked perfectly I only change xxx for www a, the http
tnx every new app make my xperia stronger and cool, thats why I cant miss something i never had like 2.1 ^* not a geek im more than normal user. i want to share something with you about battery life my usage read..last unpluged, 1 day 23 hours, 44 sec, and my battery is 45% left, I have used 3,5 hour of wifi, 24 min calls, 10 msgs, so I thing this is very good avg, maybe it last another day.btw i streamed 5 videos too. try pic saY APP is nice
battery 100% at 11am
after a day of using couple of apps, txt, mms, checking some websites, took about 30pictures and 20mins worth of video = 9% battery left by 10pm.
Brightness was as low as it allows you, wi-fi off, silent mode and vibrate mode off, gps on, I killed the apps often.
Clearly you are not happy with the X10 uliwooly. Please, just sell the phone and stop annoying everybody else on this forum with your petty whining. Most of us are satisfied with our purchase, so go troll somewhere else.
It seems that at&t is as helpful as SE’s customer service, they said: the update will be release in couple of months.
@rick
If you don’t like what someone has to say then “stop annoying everybody else on this forum with your petty whining” if you’re happy with your x10 as it is then you don’t know anything about android nor SE’s promises and the full potential this phone has to offer. so again if you don’t have anything constructive to share or something that will solve some issues then STOP wasting time and go as you stated “go troll somewhere else”. Read above from the beginning before you judge anyone.
ok getting it real, theres funtions missing because we have 1.6. lot of comparations between x10 and other phones are un youtube, the big difference cannot be seen on x10 versus iphone, galaxy, htc desire, evo, droids etc thats why xperia x10 its much better than all those, cause its running an older os and its fighting with dignity and have some respect, if sony e company lied to costumers its not my problem, i bough this phone without knowing the 1.6 os. honestly and give my word that it give me more than 2 days reaching 3 days of battery, i use to have battery drain problems the first 6 days but no more. bu we can said whatever we want, rick, oliwooly, ravz, otto etc. humans are different thats the reason we are beautyful, separate by countrys, flag, religions, lenguaje, united by a symply ´´outdated nice phone.
Just to confirm something said by jack x10, the battery since the R2 update is amazing compared to slot of other smart phones on the market. I go to uni and then work every day and night, which on average I have a 15 hour day. I use my phone afair bit in that time, recording my lectures making phone calls, reading the news paper, listening to music and ordering pizza! And when I get home on average after what I call moderate to heavy usage I have around 60% battery remaining. Comparing that to my sister (iphone 3gs) its a godsend. And if you’re like me who uses their smart phone as a smart phone, x10 lives up to the challenge, and does it with more than 20% battery remaining.
I’m not saying that I don’t recognize the missing additions of 2.1 or 2.2, but I’m not regretting my phone at all. I’m sure most of you on here would agree that x10 is a wonderful device. If your going to say 1.6 is missing this and that, when you actually get 2.2 I’m SURE you’re going to find something else that WILL top it. Has anyone seen the N900 tuning Maemo? Because if you will always complain you will see and ask why doesn’t my 2.2 have real multi taking? Or 32gb built in?
I think you should be fearful for what you have, and what you have is actually one of the best devices available.
I meant thankful** for what you have, haha just getting used to swype
For all the people that have no issues with this phone whats so ever well good for ef en you guys and stop posting how you have no problems we don’t wanna hear it go tell someone that cares. If your happy with what you got then why in the world are you even bothering to leave comments…wow obviously bunch of loser that have nothing better to do with their time!
@chaldo
I’m tired of listening to all the negative comments about X10 which apparently is due to the midget size of the brain of the person commenting coz he can’t use his phone due to lack of knowledge, if you’ve got some much time to spare .why not buy another phone instead or try to find ways to be able to overcome your problem..if u cant be of any help 🙂
@ulliwooly
You mentioned that you ‘killed the apps often’ – this doesnt help the battery life either.
@Brett
Technically it should help the battery, but only if you’re running apps that run in the background and use GPS, lots of memory and/or cpu power like a video game (just an example) other than that I have to kill the apps if not the X10 slows down a lot.
@ron
that’s exactly my point, people visit this blog to see if someone has a breakthrough and find ways to improve the X10, not to debate whether or not the x10 is the best phone ever or to say oh I don’t have any issues or personal attacks, but then again some people don’t get it. if someone doesn’t have issues w/ the phone that’s great, but how do they managed that, do they use the phone just for basic things and/or is their first android or smart phone, or I really hope is this one, 2 that they find ways to overcome what the X10 lacks, and are here to share how to improve it.
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how to work around flash, and yes I know skyfire is an option to watch videos, I know that, I even said that few months ago, but what I need to know if is there an app or something we can use to work around websites that require flash 100%.
Does anyone know how much RAM the X10 really have? I keep getting different results w/ different apps it goes from 256MB to 400MB
@uliwooly
Honestly I hate flash on websites. I mean this is why Facebook mobile/touch/app is in many ways superior to the main website. It has less crap going on and is less resource hungry. I detest websites that are flash only, or heavy on flash, as many just slow a typical desktop down. There is no need for bloated websites.
To be quite frank roll on html5 on android. Flash just gets more and more annoying.
I personally think the Flash issue will be moot come x10 os upgrade.
Well, I was looking at X10 & X8 from SE. Also Samsung Galaxy 3 & HTC Wildfire. If SE hasn’t released Eclairs for its high end model yet, then I would have to wait eternally.
Made my decision now. No SE phone. Going for Galaxy 3 or Wildfire.
Thanks uliwooly.
The important features of Froyo are:
1. Enterprise security features
2. Better processing power. (By an estimate, Froyo was more than 40% faster than Eclairs in Nexus One)
So, I can’t afford to miss it.
@Brett
You mentioned that you ‘killed the apps often’ – this doesnt help the battery life either.”
What???? I work on Android app development.
Killing the unwanted apps running on background DOES help the battery. Most of the Battery management applications out there on the app market does this to save power.
@Dr Ether
I understand that some people prefer HTML5 over Flash; both have advantages and disadvantages; some people dislike flash altogether but that wont change the fact that there are myriad websites that do require flash and that’s not going to change anytime soon. Some websites are built entirely on flash (flash is a must) or because menus, links etc require flash. So my point is I still need flash on my phone (not just for video). If anyone knows a way around this, let me know.
There are somw websites which have web applications running on flash and that is the reason we need flash support that is avaialble in 2.2 i have read that flash 10.1 can be if installed on 2.1 but dont know anyone who has done it. Well the first upgrade is month away and lets see if it can improve anything . Those who just do calling and send messages will hardly be worried about the os version.
Flash Lite 4 is distributed to developers as a plug in, but whether SE choose to incorporate it in their firmware is another thing. X10 will eventually receive a FROYO update IMO , however X10 mini/pro will stay on a custom version of 2.1 (probably using some form of flash lite).
hey guys does anyone know why my ram is so low on my x10? the highest i’ve seen is like 140MB and most of the time lower than 60MB…i don’t have that many apps running. Any suggestions on why this is happening? Thanks in advance!
Hey Ron..
well here’s the problem some ppl are locked on a contract of 3 yrs thats a long time and if you break the contract than you gotta pay to get out of it…so this means hard earned cash wasted. okay so you sell the phone cool! how much can you really get for this phone i dont think you can get more than 100 if your lucky its used. conclusion selling the phone doesn’t cover breaking contract and buying new phone, so basically it means your stuck with the phone for now! All im saying is instead of cutting each others nuts off here by comments lets just help each other to make the most of it.
Chaldo, , dont worry simply downlod memory booster from market use it automatic and easily reach 160 mb of free ram. And it help battery too.
What are the best apps for the X10?
I am an owner of the X10. I have been learning the usage of the phone for a few weeks, and as a poster stated: Learn the phone as it came in the box. Then remove ‘apps’ you do not want. I saw no usage for Timescape and Mediascape, so I removed them. I did this for all ‘apps’ that for me were useless. My battery life is excellent, I do not use my phone to watch movies, or play exotic games (the battery cannot support that for very long). To experience the value of this phone, one must CUSTOMIZE it for your your personal use. I have used the camera, the photos were excellent ( I am not a professional photographer, so I would not know the difference of a few 1000 pixels or a few million pixels).
Now I would like to address the issue of releasing updates:
A product, after extensive testing is released to the public (for this example 1.6). The public uses the product in ways the company could not imagine (third party ‘apps’ are installed, the base system modified, etc., the product fails). In some cases, suggestions are made for improvement to the product, they are communicated to the company, are reviewed (the company knows their product), and determines the best date that they can release an update, and what that update will support. Note: The company must determine if the hardware can support the improvement, and the complexity of all underlying software.
Step 2:
The design group must determine the best way to implement these changes, including presentation to the public. They design goes through changes until they are satisfied.
Step 3:
This design is then sent to the developers and testing groups. The developers must produce the code to support the updated design, while the testing group must determine the best way to test the product. This is the longest cycle in the development process.
Step 3A:
If outside vendors are involved (Flash as an example), they must ensure that all interfaces work, and the original product is not degraded (crashes, runs slower…)
Step 4:
They must now package the update, test the installation in many environments, write and review the installation instructions, and test them to ensure that they work.
Step 5:
Release the product to the public.
SE is not sitting on their hands with no regard for the customers, it is that concern for us the end user that makes it appear that they are taking too long. To release a product that is full of bugs because a few disgruntled users would like it faster, they would become a failure, the user would complain about the crap they released and move on.
I noticed that some posters state that they have waited 10 mins for all of their apps to load, which by itself degrades the system. While others complain about having to ‘press’ a button twice. I venture a guess that having retrieved the data you spend time reading the information, so what is the requirement for such speed?
I have owned a Symbian OS phone, an MS phone, and now an Android phone, They all required a learning curve.
Now perhaps someone can tell me how to hide my phone number when I make a call. This was available using my X1 where they were not sent if the number was not related to a contact.
Thanks for affording me this time to present a developers perspective in hopes that you will better understand the SE release schedules.
panyah.
1.6 release in US!?! LMFAO! SE has just managed to shoot themselves in the FACE, and at the same time, made the X10 an obsolete phone before it even had a chance to compete.
Bottom line for me… when I return back to the states for a new job in Sept, I will simply reinstate my iPhone 32gb 3GS. No way in hell will I unlock my X10 from Japan and tolorate this POS phone anymore! Sony has ZERO intention of supporting their customer base, hell they can’t even support their new potential X10 customers by giving them an updated firmware to start with. Their entire goal, simply create and sell halfass crap, and then repeat over and over.
Thanks anyway SE, the X10 was my first and last product!!
I’m certain others will follow.
stfu allready.
From a TECHINICAL perspective, SE is quite reasonable. Dont release software untill its 100% ready and customised for the phone. If you want 2.X get a phone with it. Its not like they are not releasing it, dont moan about the phone you choose to buy.